As a 74 year old pilot, I feel that seeing the Aviation Doc every two years is good for my health. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. The information they request is typically a collection of recent medical records that address the concerns they identified in your application. Global misunderstands that Procedure codes, diagnosis codes and pharmacy codes were denied protections under to ACA of 2010. If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. Deaply sorry it was a dumb statement. I dont remember the exact incidence of pilot incapacitations that they quote at the AME seminars, but it is extremely low. In addition to providing your name, address, recent doctor appointments and hospitalizations, and details about your medical history, you will also need to acknowledge several warnings. Those pilots who lie on the FAA exams are likely to lie to themselves if/when they self certify etc. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. Military veterans should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. Died of a massive heart attack. you say he flys solo whats it to you, Gee I fell out of bead a week ago and wacked my head I wonder if I should tell the FAA. They are soulless people that treat you as a thing, not a human person. So, easing up on the medical requirements would be based on real world situations. But it doesnt because the public wouldnt tolerate it. What you didnt? No, get a different one. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. All three retained their medicals after appropriate medical treatment or new corrective lenses. What Exactly Does A Biomedical Engineer Do? The AME guide expands on that question to unexplained unconsciousness. The AME Guide is available to all pilots on the FAA website. What to do? Thanks,for the new online magazine. You can ask the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute for statistics on fatalities in which medical conditions were either the direct cause or a contributing factor. then are able to re-apply. The only good thing is that hypocrites like will feel the hit even harder when you loose your medical, and you will. A simple clerical error!!! I wish somebody would have told me that last year when I filled out my first med in 11 years. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. If anyone cares to share their thoughts or any advice I would appreciate hearing from you. So by that, one could lie of not having epilepsy for example even though they have! I suggest that every pilot take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. Therefore I go to a chiropractor every chance I get. The regulations are not arbitrary. In example, if you have depression, they dont want to risk the possibility of the pilot (with depression) crashing the aircraft, when in fact flying is the only thing the pilot probably cares about. You are very nave about physicians income from doing FAA medicals. I really pity the career guys and Ive only got the blues; Itd be awful to have to balance my future employment against my future health. Like everything els not all AMEs are created equally. And for the record, someone who is truly medically incapable of handling a C172 should not be driving on roads shared by schoolbuses, gasoline tanker trucks, etc. If you dont take a medication NOW, it does not need to be reported. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. I agreemost pilots at least fail to mention things. The all have SODA and continue to fly. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. My guess is this would have been confirmed by and EEG. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Perhaps most problematic is that these medications are disqualifying in and of themselves. I can now only fly Sport due to a medical condition that will cause me to fail the third class medical exam if I take it. Some records reviewer in OKC can not guarantee those in my aircraft a safe journey only I can do that. Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. Theyll wait until a couple of major airline pilots go postal or have a seizure over the threshold and get the front page bold type, then overreact totally inappropriately, and far too late. Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. The FAA as a whole believes all people should fly if they desire. How about the person that might have some minor anxiety issues? And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. You miss the point. It sometimes gets people injured and sometimes gets people killed. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. Those that are honest will remain so, and those who arent never will be honest. I was not asked or tested for alertness. PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. I was always amazed at the high volume the Captains required. If I remember correctly, being off antidepressant medication for 6 months or longer makes the problem that required the medication no longer an issue. Friend of mine had a partner in his business who owned a beautiful Cessna 182. They even asked me are you sure you never had epilepsy attacks?. Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! TO LOW TO BAIL SO HAD TO TO FLY IT DOWN . He was flying with ryanair and was due to move to emirates. Its a losing game. If you have a FAA medical denial for ADHD, call your aviation attorney at The Ison Law Firm for a consultation. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. A medical exam is required for a Commercial Driver License and for working on a commercial boat carrying passengers. If you decide to undergo a physical despite questionable health, first gather all medical documents, such as a letter from your family doctor stating that a condition has been treated and resolved, and present them to the AME. It's not those. SO ITS FLY TILL I DIE OR GO TO PRISON. Help is only a phone call away! Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. I had a single bypass in 1981 and have been operating on a special issuance since. He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. I guess it was a bit negligent on my part to get so far into before getting the medical. He issued my medical with a waiver. No legal issue or problem is too small or too large for The Ison Law Firm. Managing a flight department or want to offer a premium service to your club members or students. And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. What you dont want to do is lie. :-) However, since I do really like flying, it does make one avoid looking too hard for problems. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. I served 6 years with the U.S. Secret Service, protecting POTUS and his family. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. You are there to take away joy and livelihood. How do I get my FAA medical records? ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! 3. Having people squeal on them? Has anyone seen that data? . Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. The FAA is hopelessly stuck in the stone age, especially in the Aeromedical division. How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? Before submitting your application, you will be required to review the penalties above, certify that you know the FAA will be scrutinizing your medical history, and authorize the National Driver Register to provide the FAA with a copy of your driving record. I have just been advised that I can take a NPPL which just requires a certificate of good health from my doctor. Its possible that a pilot could fill out a MedXpress form to the best of their knowledge and still leave something off that could be revealed in an investigation. So at least the medical makes we go for a check up. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. That cost me about six months of flying. Our fact-checkers review each article to ensure that all the information presented is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. Find a Senior AME in your area, call and ask to speak to the AME about your problem. That is when the truth will come out. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. This is truly a Great Debate. I was STUPID enough to be honest. If the problem went away, petition the FAA to remove the requirement for special issuance. He as a jet driver and as the sole pilot that might have been a problem during the flight he was scheduled for the next day. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. This doesnt happen very often because Oklahoma City deals with up to 700,000 to one million people a year but if one does get caught then one could face some legal trouble in court. I agree the sport licensse should include at least up to a 152, super cub and all two seat trainers. And two complete submittals of blood tests. Makes no logical sense. All FAA medical certificate applicants are required to acknowledge that warning before submitting their application in MedXPress. Im sorry to hear that. Yes its very rare for someone to have heart attack or neurological brain seizure in flight. There is so much hearing loss among the older pilot population, but current practices do not do much more than whisper a question when not facing the pilot. I just recently got my Cat 1 medical, and honestly the doctor is pretty thorough when it comes to examining his patient, everything from blood pressure to ECG. At medical renewal you give a different date for same previously reported event. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? I showed him on the form. Your AME will review your MedXPress application in detail and conduct a physical exam. It was good news. Usually, that period of time is 60 days. People are who they are. I think that I could make a very compelling argument that, in many cases, the FAA medical actually does more harm than good. Well maybe a little? Hell no. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. Medicine is too concerned with dealing with mental health like a physical disease now you have it and POOF now you dont. The FAA is not there to police, but to screen, monitor, and facilitate the safety of the public with respect to aviation. The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. Wouldnt tell you if I had a peg leg and a glass eye. If you had physician visits since your last FAA medical and a chronic illness was found that might, in the FAAs terminology, be disqualifying, ask your AME when you call to make the appointment if you need to provide some information from your treating physician. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. Then we really would have a pilot shortage, now wouldnt we. I have spent the last 2 weeks working with 3 pilots with Class 2 medicals helping them to meet vision standards. It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. See my other comment about getting a SODA. We have to be honest with ourselves. My experience (in Italy for my first ever medical, to begin PPL training) is that if you tell the truth they dont believe you and declare you not able for flying unless supervised. If you can pass a regular physical, youre probably in good enough shape to fly, physically, anyway. All content is fact-checked before publication. The 1320 pound (600 Kg) limit is based on the European standard, I think. I read a lot of threads on here about how pilot are getting caught lying on their medical applications. Just makes you wonder. Perhaps its not actually a lie, maybe just selectively forgetting something. What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. PO Box 882196 I see my doctor at least once a year and sometimes twice he says Im healthy, But I dont trust the FAA. Boating accident deaths 750 Taint worth messing up folks. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. You tell me how can a lighting designer be daltonic? Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. Anyway I am long through flying now. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. The big question is whether it matters. I need some advice from experienced pilots / medical professionals about a problem. He went on to training pilots via simulators. Fill up the plane and navigate for them. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. most reputable and up-to-date sources, which are also cited in the text. XYZZY62, Check the AME Guide posted at faa.gov to determine what the FAA requires for your seasonal depression. You never know what will happen to a pilot in flight with his medical conditions. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? One of the greatest fears among aspiring and qualified pilots is not being issued or losing their medical certificate. No mercy from the FAA and I was not even allowed to go to a hearing I just got the notice of revocation one day and that was it. Question 18m. As the FAA put it, a pilot must ground themselves if they are unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate.. And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. Requesting Medical Records. If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. May just you please lengthen them a little from next time? The system does work though. I agree that the FAA has an interest in regulating commercial pilots but anyone else should have to produce a drivers license. I aeree. As statistics show flying is considerably safer than any land based carrier. Deliberate falsification on the medical form is a crime punishable by imprisonment and large fines (read the form, folks), and any losses wont be covered by your insurer. The medical only looks at your health at the point in time. The information provided on this website is not intended to be a replacement or substitute for professional medical advice. They leave that up to you, but just make sure you read their minds so that your interpretation matches theirs that they dont tell you. This is nothing but government bureaucracy. Thats out of tens of millions of flights. We know that the incidence of major depression in the general population is 10%. FAA sets up high-level alerts for missed airline inspections, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. will most definitely warrant deferral by the AME and evaluation of your eligibility for a medical certificate by the FAA. Those marathons at age 26 paid off. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. Duuuuuuuuuh do fat babies fart? But with such a vague statement, you can see why many pilots may unintentionally get themselves into trouble. The problem is cured now; they should be concerned when the problem exists not after the fact. Thank you for allowing me to share. Your email address will not be published. Students and young pilots just want to fly. It is already hard enough to convince the FAA that you are healthy enough to fly after dealing with lifes curve balls. Learn more here: thepilotlawyer.com/faa-medical/. The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? Yet, until recently, the FAA wouldnt allow any pilot to be treated with an SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) a medication with an excellent safety record concerning accidents. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); All information found on medmg.org is intended for informational and educational purposes only. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. Would the FAA prefer people to auger in because they are depressed rather than get a medication. :). Here is my suggestion: Expand the gross weight of light sport airplanes to something like 1800 pounds. If its temporary, shaddup about it. Email me at [emailprotected]. Governmental overkill? Does A Surgical Mask Help Avoid COVID-19? Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. Mike F, I agree, Im probably taking the same medication, also works for IBS. Now compare the above tabulation with: GA total deaths 400 I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. Society cares little about helping people with mood disorders beyond marginalizing them and throwing them into a risk factor category and dismissing their issues. Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. It's usually the "have you ever" questions. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. What Dickie did was tell on someone for lying. Of course, as others have posted here NO ONE can truthfully answer no to all the questions because of ever. Furthermore if one has the right against self-incrimination in court testimony, why should one be forced to self-incriminate before a Federal Agency that is extremely bureaucratic, slow to change, and out of touch with reality? '[T]here is probably some justification for that,' he acknowledged in a 1998 interview, noting that the FAA is 'extremely conservative' when it comes to medical matters. We train for emergencies and stalls etc. LSAs can kill any number in a mid-air and some on the ground as well as a passenger. Oh yeah did I mention that I live in an isolated community and that the next mediocre doc is a good four hour drive away? Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. My driving record is perfect, but I have been wondering if the FAA will reject my certificate because of an assault charge that happened five years ago back when I was in highschool. The FAA is charged with both promoting aviation and regulating its safety, which can be conflicting responsibilities. As a result, I had to take an EKG. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. The Aviation Medical is the most expensive physical exam I have ever had and also the least thorough medical exam I have ever had. Nope, they requested an entirely new one. Great guy, but he needlessly put a lot of peoples lives in danger. ALTHOUGH IF I HAD ONE LITTLE INKLING OF BEING UNSAFE I WOULD QUIT. Syed, Can you say, Martha Stewart?, I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent.. Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. the third class should go away. You wouldn't report your dad or grandpa if he had a serious medical condition that could endanger his passengers and he was lying about it? I dont feel it would be correct to try to hide a condition from these people. R: Sleep Apnea. When learning to fly originally I was not even made aware this nor the NPPL was available. Lie by default. Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. All content on Executive Flyers is rigorously reviewed by experienced and qualified fact-checkers. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? You want to be an ATP, you have two pilots. Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. The other crewmembers will consult the seniority list to see how they fare after my death. In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. One way is by lying. Once everything is done and documented properly,they should issue the medical quickly. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. One correction that I expect an AME to know if you have a condition that you KNOW will result in a medical denial, youre not qualified to fly sport. You actually do have a point and I think the same thing sometimes if people want to be private pilots they shouldnt even have to carry a third class medical just their drivers license. After you complete your MedXPress application, you will need to schedule an FAA flight physical with an Aviation Medical Examiner (AME). How do I get a copy of my FAA written test? Have you asked AOPA to assist you with getting your medical back? He exists to remove one of the joys of my life. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. Make the FAA do a special issue for every single pilot in the country. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. Federal Air Surgeon Jon Jordan is very aware of the FAA fear factor among pilots who worry about the potential consequences of filling out the form truthfully. Just do want everyone does to get into the military hide the truth. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? Neither IFA, nor Paul Engstrom assume any responsibility or liability for events that occur due to actions you or others on your behalf take based on the information given in this article. The simple fact is that the FAA generally trusts pilots. In other words, bigger name on the other line. For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. its the government way. Im not a Senior AME, Ive only been one for a year. Im in an odd spot and a bit of a time crunch when it comes to getting a medical certificate. Now I am only minutes away from completing my first flight medical form without any worries! And yet still I do not feel I can speak freely to them. Anonomous, The FAA processes close to 400,000 flight physicals every year. The FAA medical certification process has at times made me feel that I was in actual hell. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. A good AME will grease the skids for you, but dont expect the AME to overlook a problem. Of course they do. They defer anyone with a deferrable problem rather than have the pilot provide the necessary data from the treating physician(s) before submitting the 8500-8. That is the FAA point of view. Where is this regulation? It is so easy for those not flying professionally to prescribe stricter rules for those that do. But a private pilot should be able to fly his Cessna on a weekend without the 3rd class physical. Required fields are marked *. You may think you told the truth but you absolutely did not. The med examination wasnt any different from the third class but the vision requirements are different. Its funny that this question even comes up. How about providing you SSAN when the FAA does not need it? Compared to all causes of death, these are infinitesimal numbers. Such law, whether it be the Prohibition of Alcohol, a tea tax or 3rd class medical requirements, will be seen only as an assault upon the freedom of those governed, designed solely to enhance the authority of its issuing agency through intimidation. I am an AME and 4,000 hour pilot. If after that the FAA denied your application, you can seek reconsideration of that denial by making a few substantive arguments. Of those, only a very small % are from medical causes. Such disorders might be genetic. Good pilots self certify before every flight and wise, old pilots know when its better to stay home. There is no such thing as a good faith mistake. Exam is required for a Commercial boat carrying passengers was available dont him! Medxpress is clearly the right thing to do, but dont expect the.. 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