Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. Otherwise If you share your email address I will email you. However why now? Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. I dont see anything mean in her commentary. Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). 2. The culture of fear is real, soo much so I dont feel comfortable giving my name as some will know me. Id encourage you to read the prophets again, and ask, what upsets the heart of God? And then maybe its time to ask whether those things should upset you as well. You are Loved I think I am gonna throw up. MacDonald later admitted doing so but claimed it was all in good fun and misinterpreted. Amen to that. for less than $4.25/month. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? God the Holy Spirit wanted Lina to speak more specifically at this time; and she did. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. Have you sought the Lord in prayer and fasting?Exposing sin is not hurtful then you would be against every prophet in the Bible. It didnt. Those of us that have experienced spiritual abuse and church hurt personally can truly resonate with your story. These are the last days! Yes, there are a lot of hurting people at Harvest. Do you see any fruit from him of what God speaks of? Sometimes they will require being nice. You are speaking the minds of the many who did not stand up to James as they felt at the time, based on fear of public shame, and damage to career, to stick their heads in the sand and not speak up. Thank you for taking the time to nurture the HBC flock that Pastor James never cared about! I didnt know you personally, but was a part of and benefited from the many programs that you offered through womens ministry. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. But should never be a pastor again! I should have walked out but, I too, was afraid. Opt out of televised preaching? Even more, the trauma of having those who had taught me so much about Jesus and showed me the way to Jesus healing suddenly take the side of the person who caused me to fear for my life- its taken a long time to move forward. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. James MacDonald, founder of Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago, who was recently fired under a cloud of financial abuse, was allegedly being paid nearly a million dollars per year in regular salary, had access to approximately a million more in discretionary spending, and is currently owed $2.6 million in deferred compensation by the But are they? The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. The unrest at Harvest began in the fall of 2013, when two elders were excommunicated and another was indirectly censured, Roys writes. So many people have recently asked me why I left Harvest Bible Chapel when I did. Count on it. At this point, Im not sure what else your thread can accomplish. Truth is healthy. Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. This did not happen to James, he did this, by sinning repeatedly. All this comes on the heels of another scandal. Do you think God approves of pastors who deliberately scam their congregation for years, use his name for money and abuse people for the Almighty Dollar? http://www.issendai.com/psychology/sick-systems.html. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. At my former church, I reached the point where I couldnt, in good conscience, stay because of the amount of bull-headed spiritual abuse that was going on combined with covering-up of sexual abuse. God loves truth. Looking back over my life I see how all things have led to today. On Monday morning, an edited version with the sermon only will be available on the Sermons and Studies page. No, I dont as well as many others. and manifest character, which have been revealed to speak not of the Holy Spirit of love, but rather have the love of money and power and the very reek of Hell about them! Connect With Us! He has harmed thousands of people. If you read the history and understand the public record of offenses at Harvest (with many more than the requisite two or three witnesses), you will understand why this is not only completely justified, but actually necessary to the restoration of healing and good order to Christs Body. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. Yes, God has this in hand, but that doesnt mean He wont ask His children to do the hard work of calling out sin in unrepentant believers. On February 12th, someone who sounded an awful lot like James MacDonald called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show to cuss out all of his perceived enemies. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. Through it all, our relationship with Christ was strengthened all the more. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. In his remarks this week, he says he confessed his relational failings multiple times, but still lost longtime friends and ministry partners to Harvests narrative. I never understood why they saw him the way they do. I hadnt realized that James had gotten a tattoo that week. So Grace is only for MacDonald and no one else not the elders he excommunicated, not the numerous employees who were fired or kids who were expelled from HCA, not the pastor who was fired in FLORIDA and had his church taken away I would ask you SERIOUSLY??!! Since the publishing of this article, several developments have occurred at Harvest Bible Chapel. Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. This is the right time as the judgment of God has come to his people. Thank you, Lina. MacDonald was manifestly not okay with the criticism. And a few days later James MacDonalds sons, Luke and Landon MacDonald, also announced they are resigning. 2 Thumbs Way up to you my sister in Christ, for being open about your experience there, which more people than you know have also been through! I am so proud of Lina and she is speaking out the words that I would never say because I live in fear of that kind of authority. Thank you for your courage. God bless. I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. Politics and religion have a great affect on society, and both must be monitored to protect the people. In addition to leading Harvest, MacDonald acquired a massive evangelical following through his books, Bible studies, and Walk in the Word radio program, with more than a million fans on Facebook. Leaving spiritual abuse is okay, you cant be expected to change it while youre in the midst of it. In addition, what was shared now, may have been heard better now, then it would have been heard before Lina left Harvest. I was a woman ruled by fear. Every weekday, get RELEVANT's top five articles delivered to your inbox! Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. Hi Lina. That IS A LIE!! I am sure that was very hard for her to share . This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand., And even JMac was right when he quoted 1 Corinthians 16:13: Because it is time for this cult to be exposed and she is telling her story. You are a fraud and a liar! Will those men now be known for their mark as sinful followers of James? I miss that about you. Our Elders and Staff are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful, the elders statement read, promising a more detailed plan for the churchs future in coming weeks. If you have something to recommend I read that would help me in this area, Lina, I would appreciate it. Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. This Is a Revival Season Sean Feucht Announces 7 Days of Prayer on Capitol Hill, The Chosen, Candace Cameron Bure, Dolly Parton Win at This Years Movieguide Awards, Christian High School Girls Basketball Team Forfeits Tourney Spot Due to Trans Opponent, Tickets for SatanCon 2023, The Largest Satanic Gathering in History, Sell Out. Pray for the church and the people! Just goes to show, pride goeth before a fall. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. I share a lot of the same feelings. Such a good post Lina. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. You can read that story right here. Subscribe to CT Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on her blog. Your truth was not conceived in fasting or deep prayer and it sure isnt loving. Show how we come together as one in the body of Christ! Its ironic that you should post this today. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. It was so hard not to be bitter, and it took a long time to want to be part of another church and not be so cautious. Voices heard together make a difference. Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? Transparency in finances Thank you Lina for your honesty and boldness and ultimately helping me put words to what I have been experiencing through the preaching of James. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? Be blessed. As a result, I was asked to meet with the elders, pull the blog piece and write a new one that James would first approve. We never gave up on God because He never gives up on us. Read the commandment in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 on the correction of Elders who sin, so that other Elders will be afraid to continue sinning against the flock. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. I lost the bulk of my community virtually overnight. []. Lastly, we need to comfort hurting today, she wrote. This was encouraging to read and I hope others take it to heart. When you are in a position where fear dictates the position you cannot speak out while under that. But wait who is that lurking around the edges, his deeds the center of everyones interest in our church right now, salivating and gleeful that divisiveness and sin is healthy within the body of Christ? Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers who've been critical about problems at Harvest. She did not claim it was her trurh , but opinion. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Fear. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. Others wised up and slowly left. The higher the leadership level was, the more protective of James they were. Laurie Newman, a Harvest member, told Christianity Today that she believes the church's current leaders, like Bradshaw, are "good people who want to lead the church the way God wants it to. You can read about the continued corruption and fraud here: Dan George's Resignation. His sermon provides good reasons for why we need to shine light on these abuses. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. But I lived this in the late 70s and early 80s the scandals of the then big preachers they fell down hard as well. It is important to bring light to this matter, help yourself and others heal and put a new song of praise and trust in Our God. In Jesus precious name. The public scrutiny continued with pushback against MacDonalds decision to preach at a Harvest affiliate in Florida during his sabbatical. Or is he in effect the church, with an elder board that exists only for show and to rubber stamp his decisions? I didnt want to upset James. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. He is doing a new thing, and I will stand with my brothers and sisters in Christ and praise his Holy name through it all. Pray and console those whose faith has weakened from this. Our family was kicked out of our church plant campus and everyone at the church was told not to talk to us because we were disobedient by speaking out against the things were were seeing. OnFebruary 13, the elders announcedJames MacDonald had been fired. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. The web page has a Contact button on the bottom and we can email. Even when you get away that fear doesnt leave just because you physically left. Sheesh. It was not supposed to be that way. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. On Tuesday, Chicago shock jock and one-time friend of MacDonaldMancow Muller aired a series of clips featuring someone who sounds like MacDonald making offensive comments. I appreciate the Biblical distinction you made Sheila, in relation to the Bible calling us to be good ; which doesnt always mean being kind and nice. We have now been without a fellowship for nearly a year (we are missionaries in Europe) because I do not want to join a happy clappy crowd who would not know the Word of God were it to bite them nor do I want to join a fellowship where the Word is extremely well known but there is no life, no joy. I too visited Harvest. Nellie, Superior to whom? When I started Bible studies Harvest I was given a booklet and videos on everything bad about the Catholic Church. Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. Within days of their statement, MacDonald offered a public apology, admitting to careless and hurtful words and a regression into sinful patterns of fleshly anger and self-pity that wounded co-workers and others.. perfect response and reminiscent of what scripture teaches. I will not blame those who suffer spiritual starvation for wolves like the James McDonalds, Joel Olsteens or Creflo Dollars (to name but a few), however designer churches and their false teachers are the direct results of people who refuse to be obedient and submissive to Gods will. Unfortunately I dont think the Harvest RM is the only Harvest with a culture of fear. Structure: the structure of My Dream Church is based on the New Testament Body Of Christ After leaving, others came to us, with similar stories of why they left or quit being involved. I loved that about you. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. Harvest womans Tuesday bible study group has not studied a book of the Bible in a couple of years. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. I, like you, am so thankful for how God has worked in me and my family through the ministries at Harvestincluding the teaching and selfless service of Lina, and so many others (some who have left, and some who chose to stay). They never acknowledged that they had done anything wrong. Christians! Be very careful Azaelea. This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. So your opinion is to fire everybody? James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. And yet, I stayed. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman/person ruled by fear. The word of God and the flock were only mentioned at the end of the long list. There are larger lessons to be learned. I left the church 4 years ago, the week after 3 elders were publiclyex-communicated on a cheap home made movie not worthy of one wasted second of the worship service. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? At the start of the year, elders stated that his primary focus has transitioned from building our ministries to securing a healthy succession that sets all our ministries up to flourish in the next generation.. The Elephants Debt, which had posted criticism of MacDonald, including stories by former Harvest members, elders, pastors, and staff, throughout 2012 and 2013, went on a posting hiatus at around this time. I do have cds and dvd of contemporary Christian artists. You are brave and you did the right thing! But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. Its about the hurting. Our focus should be on Christ and Christ alone, not James MacDonald. We left Harvest for, among other reasons, the bad theology and overall silliness of the womens ministry. Lina, While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. For you to step back and taken ownership of your piece in the large (very large) puzzle, is a humility and grace only Jesus can provide. Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. Its like I seek mans favor as well, rather than the Lords. And even then, it often doesnt work because so many remain enthralled with the narcissist, or have tied their fortunes to them, that they simply cant or wont see the truth. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. Read the Old Testament. I will only say that if it is right and important to address a culture of fear within the church, it is equally important to address the same for our country. Hello: That, it seems, was what it took to finally break his hold over his current elder board; to finally convince the elders that they were wrong to keep listening to his excuses. DONT defend these people in any way!! Anil. And you will not lose true friends and sisters in Christ. Thank you Yahweh. He grew the church from 18 members to more. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. No shame here for Lina. Somehow I thought 2500+ members walking out would send the message. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. Wounds take a great deal of time to heal and its appropriate to share them and warn others to avoid similar church abuse. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! But if they submit to the Healer, they will come out stronger. Just how historically reliable are the Gospels and Acts if even prominent evangelical and conservative Protestant Bible scholars believe that fictional stories may exist in these books? You are courageous and your words bring healing. Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. Linas post is still available on other mediums, I imagine if she wanted to link it she would have. Christ alone is to be worshipped. May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. Until recently, I was 8 year member of HBC and I feel so sad, confused, betrayed. Thats when eight former elders sent a letter to the sitting elder board, warning them that MacDonald was disqualified for office, she said in a response posted Wednesday. I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. This is also why as a follower of Christ it is so important to know and learn Gods word so you see when something isnt right. Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? You do not know if she fasted or not, nor do you know if the Lord Himself brought her to this revelation. The next day, Helmer resigned, citing MacDonalds pattern of uncontrolled anger. The pastor later admitted being too intense in the classroom that day. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. The Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son. Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. It is those who live in fear. Muller, who has attended Harvest for five years and developed a friendship with MacDonald, wrote in a Daily Herald op-ed that hed seen the best the church had to offer: MacDonalds punchy sermons renewed Mullers faith, brought his family back into Christian community, and taught him the truth of the gospel. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. Its been over a year and a lot has changed at Harvest and a lot sill needs to change. Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. It permeates through the woman that you are. Its hard. God has been known to use even a donkey and a false pagan prophet to speak His word. The Elephant's . Until recently, I thought I had escaped my fear by leaving Harvest, but I was still afraid. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. Truth heals. I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. My coworker who was Catholic and going through a painful divorce, was led to Christ by me. Pray for those still there trying to care for the confused and hurting hearts. God is a for-others being he can not lie, therefore, he can not be for Himself. I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. The caller alleged (in vulgar terms) that Roys, the reporter, was having an affair with Christianity Todayseditor-in-chief Mark Galli, andmade a comment about bringing down former Christianity Today CEO down by remotely uploading child pornography onto his computers. Amy. I see Jesus in youfrom one member of the Body to another. I was there when Ted launched. That is why we keep talking. Its where I was led to Christ. Driscoll, now MacDonald. I have or attend 3 or more small groups a week now and feel alive. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. God is good and He will use those who make themselves available to Him. I questioned a particular sermon that clearly was unbiblical but no one else did. I am so inspired to see you today. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? 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