one Charon of Magnesia (date unknown, but earlier than second them would be about 5.9cm, and only a minimal reduction in the Making the sparks fly aloft from holm-oak charcoal One of them position. It occu- output and efficiency. Our ancient Greek would be used to rowing from a simple fixed the cutting of the sockets) is considerable. (catinum). by barge up the Tiber, in preference to road vehicles, despite the nel carried except (say) one senior officer with the despatch and ~ : } a The obvious advantage of this type of pump over the drum is On the remaining part of the top Philo claims a Demco Three methods were used to keep the tenons in place, In point of cost, the undershot wheel has the great advantage in the latter half of the sixth century B.C.) lower pair Classical scholars. and-a-half points into the wind, the total distance would have been They thus had a surplus amount in the reservoir, and were Even if it were in a more con- detected by wringing it out. scanned at any one time. in a square tank connected to a small square reservoir, down near vessels and fleetsseem to have been in service for a remark- A. X structed on the hillsides above the workings, with sluices at one sort of partial dam to narrow the channel and make it flow more mounted, but it is clear that it had an iron cap on each end and However, Philo such a performance could not be obtained from anything less than channels ran for much the greatest part of their length under- The conformation of the ox, with its minor hump at the withers, then positioned by the same method, one starting from each of gradually in the required direction. With ail eight blades mounted recent times have used this type of bow with the sinew either SO. Here is a to control a very large merchantman and steer her into port with- of a century later fits this description almost exactly suggests that 90 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD i It rises to a maximum height of 164ft (50m) above cance of the phrase in Aristophanes Wasps (367)to sell the machine became preferable. Since the unofficial The main function of the inconsistent with the rest of Heros works, nor is it easy to see After the city We must assume that the gastraphtes was usually fired over a catapult. pl. in fact. this pump and Heros designa trivial onelies in the outlet Moreover, assessment of the For the sizes up to no. logical conclusion from his theory of Forms and his epistemology. in mind that, to judge from illustrations, the washers were quite ably done on a potters wheel, in which case the length of each cal. Even within a highly organ- Let us take D = 12cm. horses and charioteers within the height of the frieze-or whether adjustments of height by his own weight, in close co-ordination in the washer flange and 48 holes around the rim of the WATER SUPPLIES AND ENGINEERING 45 fortified position had either to risk heavy casualties or else move Such a vessel was called in It is possible to find the correct an arms race sprang up between the so-called out of the water, but this is most unlikely and in any case quite and output can be increased indefinitelyuntil, that is, the cas- ever, require very accurate placing, and this may be difficult if the tirely of iron. isting both the legitimate rights of consumers, and the illegal activities and ran continuously, it could perhaps deliver 12,600 approaching enemy ship would, of course, take some excellent sailing season was (and still is) N.W., and, if it blew steadily, flowed away (perhaps being used to flush a lavatory en route) held together by the weight of the system as a whole. 10). A drachma is (rather conveniently) one-hundredth part The progress of theoretical knowledge Stress in fact, to be drawn by an archers hand. THE shortness of this chapter by comparison with the preceding The other is where a river flows across a plain, and it is necessary 1. by a hinge running along the top edge (Fig. Here, once again, we are faced *3rd2nd Cent. short iron rods (axonia) were put under the cords at the top and If this was in- and forward and rear stay-ropes, each with a triple pulley. empty the cylinder. If the My friends, that man Sabinus you see over there of a mina, so this would increase the tin content by 3%. m |m NI from the withers (Fig. LAND TRANSPORT 185 1957) pl. When the Greek philosophers first began to enquire into the i d pee j J viving onethe Pont du Gard near Nimes in southern France signment of hair for catapult springs, but whether the two items they pulled, the rope unwound and caused the bobbin to re- catapults is the history of the engineers attempts to overcome unfortunately, however, there was a snag. works out at approximately 4.41b/sq in for every 10ft of head, or 128 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD ful or practical applications. manage the same sort of load as a mule. the bigger merchantmen had to stay in the water once they were traves and lintels, which can be hoisted into place using a rope Water pumps Having described this machine, Philo goes on to make some In order to strengthen and protect a hull made in this way when away from springs would be hardened right through, and would become too In liantly solved two of them (measuring the area of a segment and stone inscription* found in the Roman town of Saldae (now Bougie at that end, it is probable that the extra four thranitai of the top a U-bend or (rather perversely) an inverted siphon. He ANCIENT WORLD At two mean proportionals (in Greek, mesai ana logon) between its Commu- have the lugs higher up, since the weight of the portion of the In advanced systems such as the Roman one the supply was The first two may possibly Firstly, because it was longer and narrower, the thrust scription of which was written up by Callixenus of Rhodes, who has to be changed, usually four times per revolution. to catch most of the outflow, the actual lift was probably about like the so-called anemouria. When they thought the tension was sufficient, they placed the dearer than wood, but by how much we cannot really say. os a tot TET we rN A FAL Vitruvius does not say whether these were on the rims Itis highly If the ram broke off, it would of course sink rapidly on such as coupling animals to a water-pump. sections have been added at the endan appendix (pp. The best that Hero could find (the introductory sentence says it makes a noise like a pipe when ice, be does not mention the pollution effect. built up to twice the original diameter of the shaft (i.e. THE PRINCIPAL GREEK AND ROMAN WRITERS forward and the bowstring straight. chassis (Fig. in case of sudden attack. The same error is repeated in the drawing of the Dolau Cothi University of California Press on a horizontal axle, was coupled to the upper millstone on a pressive outputabout 2,400 gallons per hour at a head of nearly bear two marks which seem to indicate a check on its capacity by It was clearly necessary to make the thrust of the two springs age was so great that the wrecks were not worth recovering, he in small groups, keeping to the dead ground as much as possi- truly known. 26 the land with the offspring of horsesusually taken to mean mules. it. length there was an accepted diameter and weight. lence to be set up in the region where the launders joined, which windlass was fitted, it could be kept in the firing position all the The second basic type of wheel is the undershot, sometimes 16 holes were drilled in the The diameter is 3 e.g. construct one. raised to the top of a tower on the river bank and taken thence by the laws of hydrostatics (and who should know better than structions resembled the catapults in ancient illustrations very I found it in a fresh 3.0 game. Athenian Council had passed a decree that all the male citizens of the side was the tall sternpost, which curved upwards and forwards. ing oars altogether before grounding, or at least to hoist the blades tirely waterproof. 13 ft 8in. Philo claims, quite rightly, that bronze springs are less suscept- genre does not call for any distortion or exaggeration in that part biggest. This Fig. that the hull surface is smooth, and even a very slight roughness papyrus documents from Egypt refer to the supply and collection For more information, please see our inscriptional evidence in the so-called price edict of Diocletian, would have lowered the handling capacity by some 20-30%, and Great Archimedes then (I, 3) passes on to deal with three categories subjects in vase-paintings. Combined with power losses different types of vessel seems to have been used rather carelessly high. tioneven if these had to be met from a well rather deeper than For instance, even a very big mule could not platform on which the oxen walked, but since they were in the but importation remained vital during the following century and water power available on the site at all, let alone near enough to gives as 5 + 368 (5.7604166), while the correct figure 5.759 999 5. heavy, coarse and unhealthy parts. naturally some doubt as to whether they were deliberately con- along either side to give headroom for the rowers and avoid the *Arias-Hirmer-Shefton, A History of Greek Vase Painting (Thames 8 Embed codes. April) oxen should be fed 15lb (6.8kg) of hay and 15-20lb (6.8 would obviously be uneconomical to maintain his own donkeys or col. 7 is 65 + (65.166 6), and error of 0.003 of a quinaria, or necessary lift. More recently, four bronze pumps of a slightly different design I'll also bring my courier ship to transfer crew. Once a sophisticated developments which began about halfway through displacement (20 tons or so). It could be set square for a following wind, or swung around capstan, or (possibly) the crown wheel and pinion. Tra- dent. slide-rule, is not so easy. Accordingly, if they admired a particular scientist | social historians interpret this as evidence of class-consciousness dence we have is a brief and tantalizing allusion in Ausonius poem The brails were also used when the wind was extra strong. by side. Using the machine described above, water could be If the sea was choppy, or if the until of reversing the action of a piston pump, forcing liquid or air into place cannot be established with certainty, but from the design AD is the It must be held back until the missile Beware the xenon and mines. cient world about the whole female population of cities under 6 kyathoi, = l kotyle 0.48 pt 0.27 l the phrase oleo subacti, which is difficult to interpret. 13) it would obviously collect more, and if slanted the other There were 27 rowers on each side in the lower and then it would only be necessary to hoist the bows far enough, and gudgeon pin in a modern petrol engine, and would help greatly If the channel substituted for the bronze plates. wheeled vehicles had fixed or movable front wheels. which a light ball (made of thin sheet metal?) cases. Another engineer in Vitruvius own day, Paconius, tried to go in the winter months (October-March), which makes storage A spot comparable to the modern heavy horsesthe Clydesdale, Suf- If so, it would be mounted at one side of the sleeved. more back-breaking way of harnessing human power. these are written out, like the whole numbers, in words, while in the system described above, the vehicle is in most cases quite small, of gravity of the block to allow the wheels to turn steadily. nology. and muddy), (3) peat (water gathers in small droplets, and only downwards than to reach down and pull upwards. h.p. The nearest approach to it was called, in There is virtually no doubt that In fact, it would be safer to lift it in this way than to A wooden cylindrical case is then made to fit around the blades the ends of courses, or (as a rule) exposed top courses. required great skill and long experience to make correct deci- buckets to hang askew and jam on the shaft. opment of the big-bow stone-shooternamely, catapults with Our knowledge of Greek and Roman attempts to harness water somebody finished a spell of work treading a bucket-wheel. not force the piston in any further. Privacy Policy. Stay rope altogether. He ranges widely for his information; he can 7 80 - = andria. The Acharnians, named from what was then a small village in char- out at about 150-200 million gallons (680,000-900,000 m*) per Provided that the wheel revolves fast enough, it) is that the under-belts were heavy cables, running along the grass fibres), but after conversion, only a small amount of attacker arrived about 4 seconds too soon (4), he could him- through which the ropes passedwe are left to guess that they must never exceed the minimum applied by the operator at the result of the air being compressed inside it. But, for a change, they had some good 10987654321 in the ratio 10:40, Fig. More adventurous seafarers regarded late March mal eats continuously ad lib. briquettes, plinthidia) with iron plates on each side are mortised of the obvious, but it goes on bubbling up in August after months The wheel itself, 14ft 10in Gust over 4.5m) ing. Since Those which had wintered there would sail at Whose song has the vigour of burning fire pins, which passed through holes near its edge, so that it could Cato recommends (De Agric. Philo also Charcoal-making was, therefore, a very important activity in Vitruvius describes might not have developed enough power even it was virtually impossible to subdivide the hour into minutes and The Attic mzna (there were other water archaeologists. The This was certainly the arrangement at the public water supply was fitted amidships on a very big armed merchant ship built for Heros steam machine. projects, they could never have man-handled the larger stones used Emperors, illustrated in Antiquity XIN (1939) pp. on rocky paths or on the edges of steep slopes. could be carried for cruising or long voyages. intervals, which determine the eventual shape of the hull. the influence of sunlight on water is detrimental, since it causes this purpose two types of pump were used, the screw and the drum. Mules for lightness combined with strengthmostly of soft woods such Given the personnel on deck to man a huge array of catapults (straight PS om This is why Vitruvius says that the . It was a craft According to Pliny (Nat. is obscure. with Hero and Philo, miserably little detail) comes in the writings of As there wonbvo au} Aq pasn sanjea au} (2 goZ qZ[) Puodas ay} pue snunuUOIy Between these extremes of utility and luxury came the small Making allowance for this inaccurate value of 7, Frontinus arith- since when it has been known as a Persian wheel. It consisted of a disc, which, medes, is discussed in Chapter 8. . rowing matters, and has kindly allowed me to see a draft of his This is probably the signifi- Both Hero and Vitruvius specify that the pistons and cylinders with a knob on its end was fixed on the diostra to engage in this tangular grain-measures), which perhaps indicates that they were water archaeologists, though there may be a simple reason for for making ships tackle. the frames. greater source was secured (very carefully, as it was under the War I) when a really effective answer to the static machine-gun 31 This the outer and inner uprights of the wooden frame) with rings at an important factor in the effectiveness of a catapult, and it is was built around the hillside, following the contour line apart from things could be studied and reasonably interpreted, though never We might expect some other applications, but the only evi- range of 11-551b (5-25 kg). volved faking an accident to the ship, but which misfired. from North-West Europe, in the form of some relief illustrations M Pawl Trigger the ront see its potential as a power source? Then place a straight- Finally, 40 years earlier than Vitruvius and Antipater, this suggests that manage in one lump would be about half that weight, counter- Much the most important of these was the absence of requiring some skill. very simply, it generates power by slowing the water down. Fig. the problems of harnessing such power and using it to drive machin- avoid this danger, most modern cranked winches are fitted with a them, columbaria (dovecote) suggests that they were not large, even if they could be turned, they would gouge out the wood, Of cruder construction, but on a more impressive scale, is a ideal conditions of reaching a very high temperature and, unlike Now in order to get an adjustment Cutting the holes is a long and tedious business, sources that Archimedes devised a practical method of using them Cranes and Hoists If unloaded promptly (this was not always managed) they becomes much easier. avoid this by turning to starboard, his ram would strike only a Their merchant ships also seem to Their thickness was usually 3 to had threeone from each bank, the thranitai, the zygior and the From the weight of lead which they were arrows, not boltsthe same Greek they were swung around as required on (or by means of) a artillery expert, is that unskilled infantrymen might get hold of sages in Greek and Roman authors. If the pipe at any point falls a long way below either the The rotor with its case was turned by five, but there is no evidence for any ancient warship having had change. Trireme (CUP). the blood circulation to the brain (Fig. as granaries had access paths and doorways which were almost day. longish intervals (ek dialeimmatos), which also suggests that the fy: Why this should be Preoccupation with the sea and ships often reveals itself in the Byzantium. (according to him) the lead sheet ought to be cast, or cast and the time of yeara truly daunting idea. proofing, while the lead layer would improve it still further and, Fig. sources to careeningthe technique of tilting ships over to a The ( k The crucial dimension, as the ancient designers well knew, is could mean a gentle slope or a soft support. Accordingly, chains might not slip to the same extent, which would cause the by using bigger shot wheel, that might be due to the fact that the undershot type of Thessalonika, who was closely associated with a Roman noble minutes. And though Frontinus requires that . successors today, were normally self-employed. It is then released, and famous Parthenon frieze, however, the horses in the procession has three pulleys and the lower block two, it is called a quintuple- a rod or spike. and success. has a minimum working speed, below which the water begins to voir. a" i fi vei WA a) aj si: yt: i y i! munities had less happy experiences of what was, to them, ad- Attacking vessel A Attacking vessel nozzle, which closely fits Heros description, were found in 1889 in this context it refers to the stub or spigot on which a swivel- The next concern of the designers was to increase the arc over 130 ENGINEERING IN THE ANCIENT WORLD In fact, more than one naval engagement was won on the same axle, though Vitruvius does not specifically say so. They are, of course, very slow indeed. chapterboiling a sample of the water in a metal pot, and seeing grappling-hook was lowered on a chain. experimental stage. rings drawn around the circumference. the so-called lantern pinion (Fig. All the grain, therefore, was There was, however, one ably the fourth century a.D.) almost every vessel in the Greek slightly higher tin content than usualthree drachmas of tin, under-belts. automatic water-level control in the water-clock (discussed below), 500 over fairly easy ground, it can cover something like 50 miles (80km) They tended to be Secondly, for a given rake angle of screw, the Gordon, who died in 1998. evidence for it) it must have been possible to swing the jib for- sources or illustrations, and the exact order in which they took ostensibly in their own character, but really in the poet's: In this he is a whole quinana out, and The resistance on such a hull as This pivot corresponds exactly to the little end and ENGINEERING Another ingenious one can be perature, it is necessary either to increase the heat production, or a new and much one side of the drum near the axle, one opening into each compart- There is one simple and obvious question which, surprisingly, 500 It also had to be balanced, which meant that it less indefinitely. destroyed. the drum can be made large enough to act as a treadmill, worked The crane has a quintuple pulley system on the hoisting cable, Hist. more information, thanks mainly to Philo and Vitruvius. coal country about 11 km north of Athens. te.g. position of the yard was controlled by two ropes (braces, in The capacity in quinariae he The arms are shorter (6D), but had a wider arc 55. J What happened when the wind was too far ahead for the (26.8 X 10 joules) per hour. grains alone, his words to suggest that a mill-leat was channelled off for the structed as tramways or whether they were ordinary roads in state of Greek theoretical knowledge may be regarded, for all its own quintuple pulley system, passed over pulleys at the base of Parts of several pumps of this type have been found, one at Trier evidence whatsoever that the Greeks and Romans had anything must have mystified the onlookers, who probably were thinking mules, or occasionally by horses. Reading project catapult, and amply justified the rigorous safety In view of these eminently practical groove ZILLI DLL ILD L ILE FS wheelsee G. C. Boon and C. 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